5 thoughts on “Soliloquy: Al-Isra’ 17:80”

1. Salaam Sayyadi,

   It seems clear that Prophet is being addressed in the Ayahs 17: 73-81. The address seems to be in second person singular.
   For non-Arabic people it is a matter of subtlety. From reading the article I got the impression that the Ayah 17:80 is implying that the suggested prayer is for Allah to enter the person of Mohammad. (enter me an entrance of Sidq).
   Mohammad Asad offers a translation for 17:80:
   And say [in thy prayer]: “O my Sustainer! Cause me to enter [upon whatever I may do] in a manner true and sincere, and cause me to leave [it] in a manner true and sincere, and grant me, out of Thy grace, sustaining strength!”

   Another point is also not clear to me. Did the Prophet become an Insane-Kamil after ‘hearing’ the verse 17:80 or did he so become after heeding the instructions in 17:78-80, or are the two the same thing?

   And I have one more lack of understanding. The term Insane-Kamil is perhaps a Farsi term. What does it correspond to in terms of Quranic verbiage?

   When Quran addresses the Prophet as is the case here, what do these Ayahs imply for ordinary Muslims? Do we ignore them as not addressing us, or do we reinterpret them as being general instructions that somehow apply to everyone. This generalization of course cannot be done in all cases, and in cases where it is feasible it probably carries caveats that remain unstated.

   Your humble servant,
   Rahim Choudhary

   1. Salaam Whisper

      I do not know of many things you are referring too, of course I paint a caricature or simple rendition of what occurred, not much details revealed to my person.

      Qul references in Qur’an are EXCLUSIVELY for the Prophet Muhammad peace be upon him, sadly the Arab is teaching us that it is for all of us, thus equating Muslims to the status of Muhammad and this has catastrophic results as you see today.

      However, we read those prayers and statements after Qul, WITH THE HOPE that they apply to our supplications, if applied to the prophet WE HOPE that they apply to us. But they are exclusively for him.

      There is a tendency by the wealthy Arab to lower the status of the Prophet and up theirs saying that these sorts of statements are for all us, it is not the case, be strict to respect the domain of what applies to the Prophet and what applies to us, basically know your place! I should know my place…

      Your humble servant

      Dara

2. Salaamullahi Alaikum

   >When I love him I am his hearing with which he hears, his seeing with which he sees , his hand with which he strikes and his foot with which he walks…

   I am wondering what could be the possible explanation of using these particular human senses and organs i. e. Vision, Hearing, Hand, Foot?

   1. Salaam Shakir

      This is the best I found:

      http://www.untiredwithloving.org/third_state.html

      Basically Being-ness (Wujud) is a plethora of states, some mixed with matter, some mixed with spirits, and hence the reference from Nur-un ‘Ala Nur (Light upon Light) i.e. unnumbered many ways of existence due to the exposure of these Rays.

      You might find some new thoughts here in relation to the above:
      http://www.untiredwithloving.org/fass_noah.html

      29:15. But We saved him and the companions of the Ark, and We made the (Ark) a Sign for all people (Multiverse)!

      فَأَنْجَيْنَاهُ وَأَصْحَابَ السَّفِينَةِ وَجَعَلْنَاهَا آَيَةً لِلْعَالَمِينَ

      The vessel which Noah was upon was preserved to this date, for us and for the rest of the multiverse! We think that the lumber and planks and nails, no, the exotic material that comprised his vessel part matter part non-matter, part here part in the other universe.

      In so far as our bodies:

      1. Our body composed mostly of water. Water has many states of Being-ness (Wujud). Water forms quantum wires and Networks which allow for myriad of faculties and communications within our molecular ensemble

      2. Divine Throne (Arsh) is upon such waters, I strongly believe that these networks of water molecules interface us to the other universe the spiritual realm. You might say this is my Irfan, a form of knowledge I find within.

      These are difficult to conjure in mind, since our Western education teaches us that cosmos was dead and either created life in it or random processes of nature statistically caused life.

      In our views after Muhammad peace be upon him, there was unbound life, Al-Hayy, beyond measure, no matter where and when and how and what, and Allah created death and dead and dead matter and all that, to allow STRUCTUREs for life forms e.g. bodies neuronal minds and so on.

      We need new thoughts, our purpose here is to think new thoughts

      Dara

   2. Here look at these water networks

      http://www1.lsbu.ac.uk/water/icosahedral_water_clusters.html

      Water has many structures, specially intra-cellular water. These structures could and do communicate like unto atom thin wires, without any particle transportation, instead the wave-forms of the particles cause signals in wave form.

      So your water molecules within your cells, could serve as structures that send and receive massive communications. But to where, from who, for what…

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